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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jan 20, 2022 8:10:25 GMT -5
Kevin took us out to dinner last night and the new Artimus Pyle movie came up about the plane crash. Kevin said it is quite possibly the most ridiculous movie he's ever seen in his life and less than 5% of it is true, but he said he did enjoy the watch because it was so over the top. He also said that's very likely how Artimus actually remembers it, because he said he was constantly on LSD in those days and it probably altered his own reality, lol. He said one time back then, Artimus had this long conversation with him about how he thought the band drank too much alcohol and had poor diets. All Kevin could say was dude, you realize you are taking mind altering chemicals you are buying from random people off the street? Artimus was like, yeah, I guess you have a point.
He also told us his recollection of the crash. They were flying along and he was up front on the couch thing with Allen and Gary, Ronnie on the floor, and they were talking about a setlist for an upcoming TV appearance and the engines started stopping. The copilots came on the intercom and said they were going to be making an emergency landing and to buckle up. A few seconds later he came on again and said they were going to land in a field and to brace for impact. He said Gene Odom came running up the aisle right about then cussing and screaming, grabbed Ronnie off the floor and put him on the couch with them and was yelling "we're never riding in this f*cking plane again" and then boom, went to black and he woke up un the hospital. He said it happened way, way faster than folks realize. He said Artimus never came to the front of the plane, only Gene, and that Gene had to have been standing in the aisle when it crashed.
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Post by travlnmn41 on Jan 20, 2022 9:14:51 GMT -5
Kevin took us out to dinner last night and the new Artimus Pyle movie came up about the plane crash. Kevin said it is quite possibly the most ridiculous movie he's ever seen in his life and less than 5% of it is true, but he said he did enjoy the watch because it was so over the top. He also said that's very likely how Artimus actually remembers it, because he said he was constantly on LSD in those days and it probably altered his own reality, lol. He said one time back then, Artimus had this long conversation with him about how he thought the band drank too much alcohol and had poor diets. All Kevin could say was dude, you realize you are taking mind altering chemicals you are buying from random people off the street? Artimus was like, yeah, I guess you have a point. He also told us his recollection of the crash. They were flying along and he was up front on the couch thing with Allen and Gary, Ronnie on the floor, and they were talking about a setlist for an upcoming TV appearance and the engines started stopping. The copilots came on the intercom and said they were going to be making an emergency landing and to buckle up. A few seconds later he came on again and said they were going to land in a field and to brace for impact. He said Gene Odom came running up the aisle right about then cussing and screaming, grabbed Ronnie off the floor and put him on the couch with them and was yelling "we're never riding in this f*cking plane again" and then boom, went to black and he woke up un the hospital. He said it happened way, way faster than folks realize. He said Artimus never came to the front of the plane, only Gene, and that Gene had to have been standing in the aisle when it crashed. Well, that answers the "was Ronnie in his seat" question.
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Post by kiki on Jan 20, 2022 10:22:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the story!! It clears things up a bit.
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Post by billyb on Jan 20, 2022 10:42:43 GMT -5
He's certainly right about the "movie." Complete garbage.
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Post by Forum Lord on Jan 20, 2022 15:00:52 GMT -5
because he said he was constantly on LSD I have my doubts about this particular drug LSD. I know Artimus is an old hippie, but I spent 25 plus years around him and not once did I ever know of him to use LSD. Never. It is kind of odd how with Leon he drank and smoked and tooted before the crash and kept it up after the crash. Billy drank and tooted before the plane crash and he kept doing it after the plane crash. Allen Collins drank, smoked, tooted and needles to the moon before the plane crash and he surely kept doing it after the plane crash. I witnessed them doing it starting in 1985 the same year I met Artimus. And from day one Artimus was a different cat when it came to booze and drugs. He smoked pot and drank beer, and tooted a little bit when it was around but I never saw Artimus seek out cocaine and never once seek out or even mention that he wanted any LSD. It was non-existent for him in 1985 for the 25 plus years I was around him. NOT ONCE!!! So I find it hard to believe that he would just stop doing it after the plane crash. Who knows, Maybe Kevin made him wake up about it.
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Post by grayghost on Jan 20, 2022 15:03:24 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Kevin's story. Don't know that I've ever heard or read any comments by him on the crash.
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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jan 20, 2022 15:52:01 GMT -5
Ron Eckerman also described Artimus' liberal use of LSD and acid in his book, so there's a second source. He'd probably quit using it by the 80s I'm guessing.
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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jan 20, 2022 16:09:52 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Kevin's story. Don't know that I've ever heard or read any comments by him on the crash. He said no one ever approached him for any of the Skynyrd documentaries until 2018 with the "If I leave Here Tomorrow" film. He figures Judy or their management didn't want him saying something they didn't want to hear, lol. He was on a tour mixing Alice In Chains I believe when they got hold of him and had scheduled an interview with him for afterward, but the budget got slashed by CMT before it could happen. So instead he invited the director over to his home and let him scan his Skynyrd photo albums for cut shot photos. Most all of those "new" photos folks saw in that film are Kevin's. He did a couple of voice recordings for them too on a couple of topics. This latest one is by far the best in his opinion.
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Post by Forum Lord on Jan 20, 2022 16:17:40 GMT -5
I guess it is always possible, but how many druggies do you know who change their drugs of choice like that? Not many.
And the wording Ron used in that book saying Artimus was trying to get him to do acid and the way he said Artimus talked does not sound like the Artimus I knew.
I never saw Artimus try and push any drugs onto other people like Ron is describing. Artimus must have really been out of it, or maybe the recollections are hazy after 50 years.
I am sure Artimus has tried and used acid, but if he did I never saw it and never ever heard him even hint at wanting something like that. It just was not him.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jan 20, 2022 20:22:19 GMT -5
Kevin took us out to dinner last night and the new Artimus Pyle movie came up about the plane crash. Kevin said it is quite possibly the most ridiculous movie he's ever seen in his life and less than 5% of it is true, but he said he did enjoy the watch because it was so over the top. He also said that's very likely how Artimus actually remembers it, because he said he was constantly on LSD in those days and it probably altered his own reality, lol. He said one time back then, Artimus had this long conversation with him about how he thought the band drank too much alcohol and had poor diets. All Kevin could say was dude, you realize you are taking mind altering chemicals you are buying from random people off the street? Artimus was like, yeah, I guess you have a point. He also told us his recollection of the crash. They were flying along and he was up front on the couch thing with Allen and Gary, Ronnie on the floor, and they were talking about a setlist for an upcoming TV appearance and the engines started stopping. The copilots came on the intercom and said they were going to be making an emergency landing and to buckle up. A few seconds later he came on again and said they were going to land in a field and to brace for impact. He said Gene Odom came running up the aisle right about then cussing and screaming, grabbed Ronnie off the floor and put him on the couch with them and was yelling "we're never riding in this f*cking plane again" and then boom, went to black and he woke up un the hospital. He said it happened way, way faster than folks realize. He said Artimus never came to the front of the plane, only Gene, and that Gene had to have been standing in the aisle when it crashed. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. It is enlightening. Love it, Artimus is going on about the guys doing too much drugs and alcohol plus they have poor diets. Here he is doing LSD. The LSD explains a great deal. Gene is extremely lucky to have survived that crash since he was not in a seat.
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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jan 20, 2022 20:32:32 GMT -5
Yes it is a miracle Gene survived. But he did his job and tried to take care of Ronnie. Best I can tell he was ejected from the plane as it broke apart.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jan 20, 2022 20:39:05 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Kevin's story. Don't know that I've ever heard or read any comments by him on the crash. He said no one ever approached him for any of the Skynyrd documentaries until 2018 with the "If I leave Here Tomorrow" film. He figures Judy or their management didn't want him saying something they didn't want to hear, lol. He was on a tour mixing Alice In Chains I believe when they got hold of him and had scheduled an interview with him for afterward, but the budget got slashed by CMT before it could happen. So instead he invited the director over to his home and let him scan his Skynyrd photo albums for cut shot photos. Most all of those "new" photos folks saw in that film are Kevin's. He did a couple of voice recordings for them too on a couple of topics. This latest one is by far the best in his opinion. That was so kind of Kevin to share photos he has of the band for use in the documentary. I enjoy seeing them.
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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jan 20, 2022 20:51:16 GMT -5
Yeah he’s awesome. And if you notice he’s only in the spotlight now because he’s trying to help a young band he thinks has great talent that just needs a break. I do think RVZ would be very proud of him and everything he’s done with the opportunity he was given.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jan 20, 2022 21:06:51 GMT -5
because he said he was constantly on LSD I have my doubts about this particular drug LSD. I know Artimus is an old hippie, but I spent 25 plus years around him and not once did I ever know of him to use LSD. Never. It is kind of odd how with Leon he drank and smoked and tooted before the crash and kept it up after the crash. Billy drank and tooted before the plane crash and he kept doing it after the plane crash. Allen Collins drank, smoked, tooted and needles to the moon before the plane crash and he surely kept doing it after the plane crash. I witnessed them doing it starting in 1985 the same year I met Artimus. And from day one Artimus was a different cat when it came to booze and drugs. He smoked pot and drank beer, and tooted a little bit when it was around but I never saw Artimus seek out cocaine and never once seek out or even mention that he wanted any LSD. It was non-existent for him in 1985 for the 25 plus years I was around him. NOT ONCE!!! So I find it hard to believe that he would just stop doing it after the plane crash. Who knows, Maybe Kevin made him wake up about it. The plane crash was a traumatic event that changed the lives of every person on that plane and their families. In my opinion perhaps Artimus the crash made him give up the LSD. Ronnie, Steve, Cassie and Dean's death have weighted heavy on Artimus. There are times when he speaks about them he chokes up with emotion. If you really think about each one of us deals with traumatic events in different ways. I guess it is always possible, but how many druggies do you know who change their drugs of choice like that? Not many. I can think of at least people. Billy Idol is one. Today he drinks an occasional glass of wine with dinner and smokes some pot. His wild partying days are over. "In his autobiography Dancing With Myself he declares that for two years his life consisted of: “Never-ending broads and bikes, plus a steady diet of pot, cocaine, ecstasy, smack, opium, quaaludes, and reds.”""Idol went on to have a second child, Bonnie Blue, with 19-year-old girlfriend Linda Mathis in 1989. And it was having to face up to his responsibilities as a father that finally convinced him to clean up his act. In 1990 he had a serious motorbike accident that almost caused him to lose a leg — and his fear of making his children orphans forced him to become a better person." www.thesun.co.uk/news/405279/my-diet-was-pot-cocaine-smack-opium-ecstasy-and-women/
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Post by MDfan aka The MD Well Man on Jan 21, 2022 4:14:26 GMT -5
I can not count the amount of acid trips I took, loved it. I ain't tripped since 1988 just stopped. that is kids stuff you hit an age and say I have had enough. Still waiting for it to happen smoking weed
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Post by ronnie on Jan 21, 2022 10:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by ronnie on Jan 21, 2022 10:57:27 GMT -5
Scroll down to AB'74 - Artimus's acid trips lol
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Post by southernhoser on Jan 21, 2022 16:46:55 GMT -5
Read the whole thing, couldn’t stop.
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Post by ski on Jan 24, 2022 11:44:54 GMT -5
Kevin took us out to dinner last night and the new Artimus Pyle movie came up about the plane crash. Kevin said it is quite possibly the most ridiculous movie he's ever seen in his life and less than 5% of it is true, but he said he did enjoy the watch because it was so over the top. He also said that's very likely how Artimus actually remembers it, because he said he was constantly on LSD in those days and it probably altered his own reality, lol. He said one time back then, Artimus had this long conversation with him about how he thought the band drank too much alcohol and had poor diets. All Kevin could say was dude, you realize you are taking mind altering chemicals you are buying from random people off the street? Artimus was like, yeah, I guess you have a point. He also told us his recollection of the crash. They were flying along and he was up front on the couch thing with Allen and Gary, Ronnie on the floor, and they were talking about a setlist for an upcoming TV appearance and the engines started stopping. The copilots came on the intercom and said they were going to be making an emergency landing and to buckle up. A few seconds later he came on again and said they were going to land in a field and to brace for impact. He said Gene Odom came running up the aisle right about then cussing and screaming, grabbed Ronnie off the floor and put him on the couch with them and was yelling "we're never riding in this f*cking plane again" and then boom, went to black and he woke up un the hospital. He said it happened way, way faster than folks realize. He said Artimus never came to the front of the plane, only Gene, and that Gene had to have been standing in the aisle when it crashed. This part caught my attention. In Ron Eckerman's book, he made it sound like it took longer, like they were coasting and slowly descending for 15 minutes or something like that. Did Kevin say anything about hearing the trees hitting the outside of the plane? In the documentary *If I Leave Here Tomorrow* Gary (and others?) said it sounded like someone beating on the plane with baseball bats. You know how some people in serious accidents can't remember the moments leading up to an accident? When you (or Kevin) said "boom, went to black," it made me wonder if actually his memory just cut off at that point. I'm just wondering out loud. I'm not suggesting that you actually ask Kevin anything about the crash. And I've been lurking and reading lots of old posts on this board. I know that the person posting as MorrisAutoParts was intensely interested in the moments right before the crash. He would be so excited to know that Kevin said something about what he remembered!
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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jan 24, 2022 11:53:39 GMT -5
It was probably more like 5 minutes I'm guessing, it went down pretty fast because McCreary was trying to land it in a field he'd picked out. Obviously he misjudged the glide and rate of descent...
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