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Post by MorrisAutoParts on Mar 7, 2021 13:23:52 GMT -5
Say what? I was not even aware Petty Crocker had a black drummer until just now. I actually can't stand Petty Crocker himself and his annoying voice and cookie cutter songs he baked up. Racist lies. |
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Post by heathinvader on Mar 14, 2021 20:24:51 GMT -5
Dang, Heath is Mr. Nirvana. But that's another thread. That we probably already did. You need to start those threads you seem the expert. Cobain- Overrated manic depressive with 2 great chart toppers? or ahead of his time? Was the band better than Cobain? I don't know if I would call myself an expert on Nirvana or anything like that, but once I become a fan of something, I love to deep dive into it and the story behind it. That's what led me to Skynyrd Frynds to learn more about the original Lynyrd Skynyrd band, and how I got so invested in Cactus, Mother Love Bone, etcetera. Anyway, for most of my life, I have heard the names of Kurt Cobain and Nirvana before, and I have seen Kurt's face before several times as a pop culture icon, but I wasn't very familiar with the music as far as I knew because my parents never got into the whole grunge thing. It wasn't until I was about 19 when I first discovered Nirvana's music. My parents had Bright House Networks as a provider at the time, and they had a channel called VH1 Classic, which later turned into MTV Classic. The channel had a show called 90's Nation, which involved music videos of multiple genres from 1990 to 1999, and it included the Foo Fighters, as well as Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and several other bands. But one day, I was watching it while dusting the living room (I had the whole house to myself and the pets that day), and they played THIS (this is the only official video they did before Dave joined, by the way): It really resonated with me. It was, like, the most honest music video I've ever seen in my life. It was my first look into, "So THAT'S Kurt Cobain! So THAT'S Nirvana!" I was instantly hooked, although I had no idea the drummer was different until much later (turns out Dave was their fifth drummer, but he lasted the longest out of all of them). As to whether or not he was overrated or not: The way I see it, he was more into music for the art of it, and not necessarily to be the best of the best musically. He used his lyrics and guitar playing as a way of self-expression as opposed to self-promotion. That is part of what drew so many people to him and to Nirvana, because hair metal was all the rage before Nirvana exploded, and they were the exact opposite. They were all into the music business for all the wrong reasons (fame, money and girls), and they didn't really care about the music they were making. Kurt, Krist, and Dave did care about their music, what they stood for (anti-sexism, anti-racism, anti-homophobia, etc), and using their music as an art form to express themselves as a unit. Kurt's songwriting could be compared to Patti Smith or someone like that, where they may not necessarily be trying to sound like the greatest musician ever, but they're using the form of music to express their thoughts, feelings, desires, opinions, messages, etcetera. As for his guitar playing, he's come up with some good chord arrangements that weren't very common at the time, like in such songs as Heart-Shaped Box, In Bloom, Negative Creep, Mexican Seafood, and Lithium. All five of the albums he made in his lifetime, Bleach, Sheep (Unreleased, but bootlegged), Nevermind, Incesticide, and In Utero all sound good, and grow even catchier with each listen. His guitar solos? Well.......I'll let this video do the talking: |
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Post by MorrisAutoParts on Mar 14, 2021 21:32:47 GMT -5
Talented IMO, not a true frontman. However he has reached near myth status so a critical inspection is near impossible. But as an assemble with harmonies it could work. Annoying voice, kind of sounds like a teen at the same time it's almost a call for a new type of rock, or more mainstream known as thrash rock. Much of their published work sounds as if they ripped off a young Mr.Osborne and Sabbath with more intelligible accessible lyrics. Sounds the same on a lot of songs.
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Post by heathinvader on Mar 14, 2021 23:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by JerseyGirl on Mar 15, 2021 20:08:49 GMT -5
Heath, have you seen the 2015 documentary on Kurt Cobain's life "Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck"?
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Post by JerseyGirl on Mar 15, 2021 20:18:15 GMT -5
Wizz Kidd, I noticed something that is going to upset Mudd/MAP. Tom Petty does not seem to put effort into singing in some of his songs. It is something about his style of singing. Don't get me wrong. Mudd, I like some of Tom Petty's stuff. "Runnin' Down a Dream", "I Need to Know", "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Breakdown". In the car I have three of his songs that I play.
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Post by heathinvader on Mar 15, 2021 22:51:45 GMT -5
Heath, have you seen the 2015 documentary on Kurt Cobain's life "Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck"? I have, and it's a good movie. However, it felt biased and one-sided to some degree (lots of parts of the interview with Courtney Love done for the movie in there, but very little from the interview with Krist Novoselic, and absolutely no interviews with people like Dave Grohl, Dale Crover, Buzz Osbourne, or Chad Channing, all of whom should've been given some time to be interviewed about Kurt), and also as though his private, personal recordings that were never meant to be heard in public, were being exposed for the sake of cashing in on the person behind them. Honestly, I prefer the movie About a Son, which plays audio from a 1993 interview with Kurt over video of modern day life. It was not about Kurt as a musician or artist. It was not about Kurt as a celebrity who committed suicide. It was not about Kurt and the conspiracy theories about his being murdered and the murderer being hired by Courtney (which does point out some interesting things about Kurt's death, but I don't think that biased perspective is fair either). It was entirely about Kurt as a person. It made him come across as a regular human being like you and me, like a neighbor or something. It had more of an honesty about it. |
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Post by Forum Lord on Mar 16, 2021 10:06:57 GMT -5
Wizz Kidd, I noticed something that is going to upset Mudd/MAP. Tom Petty does not seem to put effort into singing in some of his songs. It is something about his style of singing. Don't get me wrong. Mudd, I like some of Tom Petty's stuff. "Runnin' Down a Dream", "I Need to Know", "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Breakdown". In the car I have three of his songs that I play. His low output vocally all revolves around his effort to form fit his music into a radio requirement mold. If he screamed out his lyrics mainstream would not have been as accessible to it. Petty Crocker baked up his cookies to serve the masses. All about sales to him. His music is low output and his vocal matches it. Mink coat match up! |
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Post by MorrisAutoParts on Mar 16, 2021 14:15:08 GMT -5
Ok a young Petty. No he never jumped around, but a lot of videos have him at 60.
This is the Whistle test, June 78. I think 4 songs but captured Petty at that time.
He was touring with the Ramones and you can tell from his album art to his sneers. They wanted punkish, he gave them that. After Wildflowers he said screw it and started using his natural voice. Yet still there are times when the punk Petty calls to me. "LOOKS LIKE I'VE BEEN FOOLED AGAIN.I DON'T LIKE IT!". Go to around 18:52 if you aint got an hour. Tell me that's not rock or mink coat rock or some other nonsense. This is a direct lineage to the rock pioneers two decades before. THIS IS ROCK N ROLL. If you listen to something else then shoot yourself, you don't know rock why go on living.
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Post by Forum Lord on Mar 21, 2021 10:00:07 GMT -5
I took a listen and by my tastes, starting at the 18:52 mark is some weak music. And yes it is mink coat music. All played down, band held back, and playing around Petty Crocker like a mink coat. YUCK! I can't stand it! That is pop rock made for MTV. Nothing to it. The mix here is bad. Petty Crocker is too subdued in the mix. Changing the subject from mink coat bands... I was watching a historical documentary on WWII last night when I found out what a foo fighter really is or was! The name or term foo fighters was created by American war pilots to describe a phenomenon of balls of light that seemed to follow and trail American military planes right off their wing tips. They believed it was some type of secret NAZI weapon! So a foo fighter is the name of a perceived NAZI weapon! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighterThe term "foo fighter" was used by Allied aircraft pilots during World War II to describe various UFOs or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific theaters of operations. Though "foo fighter" initially described a type of UFO reported and named by the U.S. 415th Night Fighter Squadron, the term was also commonly used to mean any UFO sighting from that period.[1] Formally reported from November 1944 onwards, witnesses often assumed that the foo fighters were secret weapons employed by the enemy. The Robertson Panel explored possible explanations, for instance that they were electrostatic phenomena similar to St. Elmo's fire, electromagnetic phenomena, or simply reflections of light from ice crystals." It was thought this secret NAZI weapon was a UFO type of flying saucer spacecraft of some kind...        So Dave Grohl named his band after a perceived secret NAZI weapon? And when we take a look at the source and origins of the name "Grohl" I find this: "Grohl · Origin: German" No kidding! |
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Post by Forum Lord on Mar 21, 2021 10:05:15 GMT -5
www.radiox.co.uk/artists/foo-fighters/what-does-foo-fighters-mean/What does the name "Foo Fighters" mean? 21 January 2021, 14:27 | Updated: 4 February 2021, 16:38  Dave Grohl in London at the time of the second Foo Fighters album, The Colour And The Shape, in 1997. Picture: Martyn Goodacre/Getty Where did Dave Grohl get the name of his band from? Radio X gets to the source of his inspiration… Foo Fighters - a name that’s synonymous around the world with heavy guitar anthems and the legend that is Dave Grohl. But why did Big Dave pick such an unusual name? What does “Foo Fighters” actually mean? Back in the Nirvana days, Grohl had written and recorded songs but had kept them to himself as he considered Kurt Cobain to be the musical genius in the group. When Cobain died in April 1994, it looked like Dave would join another band as a superstar drummer, but the world was surprised when he came out of the studio with a whole album’s worth of his own songs, recorded pretty much by himself. But Dave still wasn’t confident enough to release the music under his own name. He told Clash magazine in 2010: “Around the time that I recorded the first FF [demo] tape, I was reading a lot of books on UFOs. Not only is it a fascinating subject, but there's a treasure trove of band names in those UFO books!" "I had recorded the first record by myself, but I wanted people to think that it was a group, I figured that FOO FIGHTERS might lead people to believe that it was more than just one guy. Silly, huh?" "Had I actually considered this to be a career, I probably would have called it something else, because it's the stupidest fucking band name in the world."  A picture of a flying saucer photographed by farmer Paul Trent shown flying over his farm, November 1950. Picture: Bettmann/Getty Images The term “foo fighter” was first coined by the US Air Force in World War II, as a term for strange phenomena sighted in the sky, before the term “unidentified flying objects” became a term. In November 1944, pilots flying over Western Europe had spotted glowing objects flying quickly around the night sky - which were thought to be a new German “secret weapon”. They were quickly dubbed “foo-fighters” by Donald J. Meiers, a radar operator in the 415th Night Fighter Squadron, who named them after a then-current comic strip called Smokey Stover. Smokey was a fireman, or “foo fighter”, who travelled to incidents in his “Foomobile”. 
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