pyledriver
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Post by pyledriver on Jun 22, 2020 14:41:03 GMT -5
This is interesting, because the widow's mentioned once. Or twice.
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SkynyrdFrynd
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Post by SkynyrdFrynd on Jun 22, 2020 15:59:38 GMT -5
Sounds like Judy sure drug his ass through the coals.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jun 22, 2020 16:09:37 GMT -5
Pyle Driver thank you for posting the interview with Jared Cohen. It is an interesting interview. And not because of a certain widow. lol. I did notice what he said about her.
Jared talks about the lawsuit verdict being overturned due to the first amendment. Jared mentions how the film is about the band's relationships with each other, fans and the music. He said Skynyrd was a band ahead of it's time. In the film, the confederate flag usage is addressed. Addressing the use of the confederate flag I found interesting. According to the research Jared did, he says MCA was responsible for the band using the flag. It was a marketing tool.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Jun 22, 2020 16:10:43 GMT -5
Sounds like Judy sure drug his ass through the coals. It sounds like she really tried to. Thank goodness the verdict was overturned.
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Post by balancedmyeye on Jun 26, 2020 17:42:42 GMT -5
Pyle seems to have voiced "stronger" opinions than any others ... maybe Ronnie's were only ones stronger -- I remember reading Ronnie "demanded" certain types of performances from band-mates.
When I did, I thought "maybe hyperbole?" would even an artist of Van Zant's ilk be THAT dictatorial?
Now I've watched as much footage as I can (at a time - it's not obsession) and it DOES appear Ronnie indeed MIGHT have been iron-fisted w/ the guys as "told later." I mean he gives the guys some SERIOUS looks (could be called "studious" I spse - looks CAN be deceiving) that might possibly suggest "I'm gonna murder you if you botch this guitar solo!" but it's hard to say. Things get exaggerated sometimes. Doubtless Ronnie MUST have had a "fun side" and I haven't seen THIS film. Most "singers" aren't quite as accomplished as RVZ. I might like to see this film tho I'm not sure how much embellishing Pyle might have had to do. Not even QUESTIONING his "credibility" so much as, "Why is HIS quote-unquote side of story any more interesting than others?" Is his [one] lens - as things suggest - as complete/complex as the "whole" lens i.e., in aggregate? It seems funny. Was the INPUT to the film "comprehensive" as-they-say or "just" Pyle's lone slant?
The 1977 color footage of the band performing at Oakland ["Freebird" et. al.] is perhaps the single most exhilarating (and accomplished) of "any one rock act" that comes to mind [Van Morrison 1980 Montreux similarly] ... it sends chills down my mind how GREAT that performance was - at a relatively LATE date in their careers how "fresh" it STILL seems is miraculous - and possible "testament" to Ronnie's SKILLS as frontman? Who in God's name could MOTIVATE a band to play THAT INCREDIBLY WELL - tunes they'd played countless hundreds and hundreds ... it's "almost inhuman" how well [compared nearly any/all pop/rock outfits] ... Many pop/rock bands are "disappointing" compared to studio -- "virtuosity" w/ electric instruments [Powell was always gifted on piano at ANY occasion I spse and maybe that helped?] is SO uncommon when it comes to live performance [understandably "ensemble production" IN studio excels universally -- but Skynyrd seemed to NAIL IT LIVE (nearly as well as studio!] ... it's a little less impromptu than one might wish but for "trade-offs" Skynyrd seems to have got it just right. ZZ Top (maybe) came "close" sometimes but w/ only 3 guys just-not-possible to "match" studio and to drive the point you can EASILY hear "pre-recorded backups" some of their songs.
I just HOPE the film is anywhere near as entertaining as the band; honestly, my hopes aren't that high. At it's best (live) Skynyrd seems to have been in some rarefied air. I wish sometimes there were more [really good] concert footage -- but what I've seen YouTube doesn't seem to have such great SQ. The loss of Steve Gaines seems to have been the greatest loss (in relative terms) of nearly any guitarist. Or at least close Duane/Hendrix -- Gaines was SUCH a beautiful player. Most "untold" player in all of rock?
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Post by balancedmyeye on Jun 26, 2020 18:39:01 GMT -5
"Disciplinarian" is perhaps much better word than dictator. Whatever. In a way that's same as saying there's room for nuance.
The POOR example (horrendous really) was Oliver shit-a-Stone's Doors movie.
He took ONE LINE of Ray Manzarek's "Jim Morrison lived life 24/7 on the EDGE" and tried to make an ENTIRE FILM into that one little statement (that was gross exaggeration to begin with). Nobody lives life 24/7 edge. Nobody.
TRUE some are duller than others ... esp. in relative terms ... but to take the picture of a smart [esp. for such a young age] man w/ savvy and subtlety and turn it into a clown ... and character into charicature ...
JDM was ONLY a drunk crazy drugged-out woman abuser if you watched that film. I'm not that smart, but nobody is as STUPID as Oliver Stone, as he made Morrison into a mental midget, and seems to have done so deliberately.
It's so patently HORRID film making even What's Her Names' (blond bimbo co-star that played Pamela Morrison) PC comments belied the idiocy -- "Jim was a cool guy but sadly just a woman abuser" was ALMOST VERBATIM what she said. Almost ALL of what she said. Morrison was doubtless the most intelligent and complex of ALL so-called rock-stars ever lived [I'm dumb but even I can see that] and Oliver Stonehenge went and POLLUTED any/everything "good" about Morrison. The film really makes a person wanna throw shit at a big screen [luckily I never paid to see it] ... was the biggest piece of garbage ever committed to cinema. Makes Spinal Tap look like the work of sheer genius. Oliver Stoned is a real POS. What a scumbag. He sullied what [could/should] have been at LEAST mildly entertaining. It was far worse than most made-for-TV garbage. Any semi-moron is highly clever next to that type of crap.
So I could only hope this Street Survivors has some integrity. It's a poor comparison because no two "rock-types" could ever be so different as Van Zant versus Morrison w/ both reaching levels of "success" meaning at creativity levels (sophisticated approach to the primitive and vice-versa or some such? Lol!) Good God they don't make 'em like they used to. Heavy metal shit hair bands dime/dozen.
Charisma might be the word. There wasn't much surfacing after Van Zant died. But it was such great music that carried the charisma, no hype. Skynyrd's best may have been behind them (except for Gaines). Still terribly sad to have ended as it did. You'd like to have seen them all ride happily off into the rocknroll sunset. Can't help doubting they had much real time to enjoy it. I was just a little kid when I bought the "flames version" of the last LP. Disco was all downhill for me.
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Worm
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Post by Worm on Jun 27, 2020 22:38:07 GMT -5
Spinal Tap was pure genius and I’d bet Rickey Medlocks amp goes to 11. Listen to the sustain.
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