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Post by myguy1948 on Nov 2, 2018 22:44:11 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been discussed on here somewhere before but, I know Artimus is adimant that's this did happen. Obviously it depends on whether or not Ronnie was asleep the whole time or in fact, did make his way through the plane. Do you think this is true, or is it just what Artimus or wants to believe happened?? I did find some info just now. Forum amateur here lol...
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Post by courtd83 on Nov 2, 2018 23:09:27 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been discussed on here somewhere before but, I know Artimus is adimant that's this did happen. Obviously it depends on whether or not Ronnie was asleep the whole time or in fact, did make his way through the plane. Do you think this is true, or is it just what Artimus or wants to believe happened?? I did find some info just now. Forum amateur here lol... I really do not know. I noticed Artimus reiterated that fact in the ’If I Leave Here Tomorrow’ video. Long time to keep the tale going if it’s false but at this point I don’t know who to believe when it comes to plane crash facts. They’ve all told a bunch of different stories as time has went on. I’m sure time has changed the facts and memories as to be expected.
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Post by BlueMonday on Nov 3, 2018 17:00:52 GMT -5
I used to laugh at that one but now, I don't know. In a recent interview, Craig Reed seemed to say that Ronnie was awake and walking the aisle just prior to the crash. There's a thread somewhere that talks of this.
So if Ronnie was up, then the handshake story could be true. Your guess is as good as mine.
I just wish we had at least one reliable witness who was inside that plane.
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Post by veegee on Nov 3, 2018 17:24:25 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been discussed on here somewhere before but, I know Artimus is adimant that's this did happen. Obviously it depends on whether or not Ronnie was asleep the whole time or in fact, did make his way through the plane. Do you think this is true, or is it just what Artimus or wants to believe happened?? I did find some info just now. Forum amateur here lol... I really do not know. I noticed Artimus reiterated that fact in the ’If I Leave Here Tomorrow’ video. Long time to keep the tale going if it’s false but at this point I don’t know who to believe when it comes to plane crash facts. They’ve all told a bunch of different stories as time has went on. I’m sure time has changed the facts and memories as to be expected. I think if you put all the survivors in a room and asked them what happened you would get a different version from every one of them.
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Post by myguy1948 on Nov 3, 2018 17:43:33 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been discussed on here somewhere before but, I know Artimus is adimant that's this did happen. Obviously it depends on whether or not Ronnie was asleep the whole time or in fact, did make his way through the plane. Do you think this is true, or is it just what Artimus or wants to believe happened?? I did find some info just now. Forum amateur here lol... I really do not know. I noticed Artimus reiterated that fact in the ’If I Leave Here Tomorrow’ video. Long time to keep the tale going if it’s false but at this point I don’t know who to believe when it comes to plane crash facts. They’ve all told a bunch of different stories as time has went on. I’m sure time has changed the facts and memories as to be expected. Yes that's true, he has stuck to his story all these years it may very well have happened.? All the people do have a different story for sure. I think that's with a lot of things especially something that horrible.. I know one time there were 4 of us in an office that faces the street. There was a car that went off a sloped but steep embankment. He tore down a sign, nearly hit a pedestrian, bounced off the side of another car and back out on the road and hauled ass...all 4 of us had different stories. Make, model, and color of car etc..(Of course my description was right lol)...anyway this is a (small example) of the way each one's story can vary. I can't imagine being in a plane crash anyway, no wonder they all have different stories.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Nov 3, 2018 20:54:13 GMT -5
About a week ago I was listening to a radio interview Craig gave. During the interview Craig mentioned he had a faint memory of Ronnie walking to the back of the plane for a moment before the crash. In a few weeks I will look and see if the interview is posted online now.
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Post by travlnmn41 on Nov 3, 2018 22:38:13 GMT -5
I don't think it happened. We know that Ronnie had taken 2 pills once they were airborne and was sleeping on the floor next to the j-shaped couch. He was out of it when the left engine quit. I can't imagine that suddenly he would get up off the floor, completely clear minded. Why would he walk to the back of the plane when he could see every seat was taken? To chat with the guys playing poker? Gene Odom has provided a very detailed account about the difficulty he had getting Ronnie onto the couch. If you don't believe Gene, one crew member who survived said in his NTSB testimony that "a band member was very combative" about being put into his seat. I think it's pretty clear who he was referring to.
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Post by aloebird on Nov 4, 2018 5:41:50 GMT -5
Mark Howard said Arti walked to the back of the plane after getting folks ready for a crash landing. He also mentioned Ronnie and a pillow, if I am not mistaken, but I could be. It is from interview taken at crash site. Whatever went on must have been horrific for all souls on board.
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Post by BlueMonday on Nov 4, 2018 8:20:36 GMT -5
I don't think it happened. We know that Ronnie had taken 2 pills once they were airborne and was sleeping on the floor next to the j-shaped couch. He was out of it when the left engine quit. I can't imagine that suddenly he would get up off the floor, completely clear minded. Why would he walk to the back of the plane when he could see every seat was taken? To chat with the guys playing poker? Gene Odom has provided a very detailed account about the difficulty he had getting Ronnie onto the couch. If you don't believe Gene, one crew member who survived said in his NTSB testimony that "a band member was very combative" about being put into his seat. I think it's pretty clear who he was referring to. I don't think anyone said he was clear-minded. He could have been walking about precisely because he was disoriented. Sleeping pills make you sleep, but they don't make you lose consciousness. The commotion inside the plane could well have woken Ronnie up. I'm not saying it happened, I'm only saying that it's possible. Those ever-changing stories by the survivors are maddening. Another layer of confusion seems to be added every time someone opens their mouth to talk about it. One of the survivors (I don't remember who it was) said "everyone was praying." I'm at the point where it's the only thing I truly believe.
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Post by Forum Lord on Nov 4, 2018 8:25:39 GMT -5
Not sure if it matters at this point, but I use to listen to Artimus and other band members talk about the crash in private, one on one type of thing.
First thing about Artimus is that when he was in the Marines he worked on planes. So he was familiar with their operation. Given this background of his, when the pilots were having trouble, a man like Artimus, being smart, sharp, and knowledgeable, he wanted to check out what was going on in the cockpit. So Artimus told me he went up to the cockpit and actually strapped himself into a seat up there, I think he said between the pilots. My memory is not as good as it use to be...
But as I recall Artimus was observing and paying attention to details while up there, but it was the pilots who told Artimus to go back to the rear of the plane and to help people prepare for the rough landing because at this time the plane was still running so it was not viewed as a crash at that point in time.
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