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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 22:08:40 GMT -5
Well blue didn't Ronnie always say he was not going to live to be 30
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:00:33 GMT -5
OK, I'm going off topic. Ronnie didn't have a will? I get that he was young but he was young with money. You need a will. If not, this is what happens. It all goes to the wife that you wanted to divorce. This should be a lesson for everyone.
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Post by Forum Lord on Nov 6, 2015 11:51:02 GMT -5
Ronnie did not have a will. Neither did Leon and it caused a huge mess and split the family up who fought over it all. Ronnie's family was divided over this issue for years and years, and Leon's family was also divided over it too. Billy and Allen had clear cut inheritors and covered their asses, not sure about Bob Burns, but I would assume he was covered as well. ------------------------ As for Artimus being venomous, there was a time when he was very angry and bitter but over time it subsides and this is true with him. I have seen it with my own eyes. But the question arose about Artimus being denied his fair share and I believe this to be the case. When the Cabin Fever Tribute video was produced and then the movie by Judy and her "people" Artimus told me one time he never received any income from it. He said his likeness, his intellectual property as in musical creation and performance issues were used, but he never received his fair share compensation for it. I remember him saying something about his share being put into a hidden account somewhere that he could not find it and access it. Some might find this strange, but there is a precedent for it in the now deceased Stan Polley former manager of Badfinger who did the same thing to them: STAN POLLEY ONE LESS CROOKED MANAGER - STAN POLLEY DIES!Stan Polley (1922-2009), one of rock’s allegedly most crooked managers died July 20, 2009, in California.During the 1960s and 1970s he managed <a href=”http://www.the27club.net/tag/badfinger”>Badfinger</a>, Al Kooper, Lou Christia, and Charles Calello and others. Over the years, Polley’s reputation as a ruthless manager has been documented in books by Al Kooper and Dan Matovina, and according to The New York Times, Polley was named in 1971 as someone who worked as an in-between organized crime and a New York Supreme Court judge. Stan Polley had a habit of forming companies for each of his clients, using charm to lure them in and complicated business structures to funnel money away from the artists. He formed Badfinger Enterprises, Inc. in 1970, and acted as the American arm of the band’s organization. Over time, it became clear to several band members that they had no control over their money, but Pete Ham (one of the 27s) refused to believe that Polley was a bad apple. In 1972, Badfinger let Polley negotiate a new record deal with Warner Bros. Records. The contract called for cash advances to be placed in escrow and WB soon found itself filing a lawsuit when it couldn’t locate the funds. A legal tangle ensued and Badfinger saw their records pulled from the shelves. By then Pete Ham saw the writing on the wall and tragically hung himself. His suicide note ended with “Stan Polley is a soulless bastard and I’ll take him with me.” Polley soon left show business, but he continued to swindle and embezzle. In 1991 was ordered by a California Court to return $250,000 to an aeronautics entrepreneur, but according to the victim, he never received any money. ------------------------------------------------------- Today in 2015 I have no idea if this situation with Artimus and his supposed missing money has ever been resolved. I have no idea if it is even a valid claim. It may have just been something he believed may have been happening due to his outspoken nature and angering Judy at the time. But make no mistake in thinking these things do not happen because they do! When millions of dollars are at stake, people will resort to devious methods to get it and control it just like Stan Polley did for a crooked career.
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Post by MorrisAutoParts on Nov 6, 2015 16:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 16:57:42 GMT -5
So Ronnie dies without a will and Judy inherits everything despite that he has two children? Now his children (or should I say Tammy) have to contest his estate? Not sure how it works in Florida. In NY, under intestate succession the spouse inherits the first $50,000 of your intestate property, plus 1/2 of the balance (just looked that up) and the descendants inherit everything else. I wonder why he didn't have a will. If the "I'll never live to see thirty" is indeed true you would think he had one. Just an observation.
I would hope Allen had one. I'm assuming with his health issues and mental status he knew better. I'm guessing his father made sure of it. Billy probably learned from the mistake of others. Too bad Leon didn't. Nothing like family fighting over money. I had a front row seat when my cousin passed away. It tore apart my Aunt's family for years.
I certainly am not saying that Artimus is not owed money especially if Judy is in the picture. From what I read, Gary let his lawyers do the talking and agreed to everything. I'm guessing by this time, band relations were at an all time low. I'm assuming there was some bad blood between Gary and Artimes and even Judy. Maybe Gary intentionally screwed Artimus out of money. For some reason, I have a hard time picturing Gary as a money hoarder. That could be the fan talking. I never got the impression that Ronnie was a money hoarder either from what others have spoken of his generosity. When it comes to money, there are people who are willing to send their mother up the river.
I'm thinking Stan Polley might have been one of them.
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Post by Forum Lord on Nov 6, 2015 17:17:31 GMT -5
In Florida, the law is clear. The widow gets it all. Nothing for the kids unless she gives it to them. To this day Judy and Teresa have not settled their husbands estates and intentionally keep them open and unsettled and both widows sit at the top as executors of the estates of their deceased husbands and have full control over everything. It is as though Ronnie and Steve are still alive and living in and through their widows.
Larkin Collins settled his son's estate in under 2 years. It is now the Collins Trust owned and administered by Amy Collins and also partially owned and cared for under the trust her sister Allison Collins who will live out her life being cared for because she is unable to care for herself and live on her own, so she must be cared for, for the rest of her life, and Larkin did all he could while alive to make sure the Trust was filled with as much money as possible- and set up to keep it flowing in too- which was his job since his son died was to make sure his grandchildren are well cared for knowing he too would not be around forever to care for them.
This is why after Allen died Larkin went back on Allen's wishes to prevent Gary from using the name on its own, and it was Larkin who caved in to Gary for more money of course to take the Allen Collins clause off the name of Lynyrd Skynyrd to let Gary become an all new Lynyrd Skynyrd once again.
The clause I am referring to is of course "Lynyrd Skynyrd 1990" and "Lynyrd Skynyrd 1991" and even on into "Lynyrd Skynyrd 1992" until the new deal was made.
Larkin was a good man! Even if he did let Gary use the name on its own again. I forgive him and I understand why he did it. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for his grand babies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 20:54:17 GMT -5
Ronnie and Steve's estates are still open after 38 years? I didn't that was legal. I assumed there were time restrictions on settling estates. If there estates are not settled before Judy and Teresa' deaths then I'm guessing it's passed onto their children. In Ronnie's case, there is Tammy to consider. We all know Judy will take care of Melody but what rights does Tammy have? I'm guessing, again, Tammy hasn't received any money from her father's estate? She has to have some right to her father's monies. I find this very interesting. The plot thickens...
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Post by MorrisAutoParts on Nov 7, 2015 9:18:25 GMT -5
Estates still open after 38 years, if that doesn't convince everyone that the band today is backed by some ruthless money first people nothing will convince them. "we do this for the fans" MY ASS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 21:34:18 GMT -5
I found a recent interview with Artimus. He is actually cool, calm, and collected. It was nice. Then you get to the 9 minute mark and well, he is back in Artimus mode. You know what they say, you can take the boy out of Skynyrd but you can't take Skynyrd out of the boy. Or something like that.
The first ten minutes or so is an interview. The remainder is an AP band show in Sebastian, Florida. I have to admit they sounded real good. Whoever is playing the keyboards has a very 'ronniesque' voice. The closest I have heard to the real thing. Artimus' daughter makes an appearance as well.
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Post by MorrisAutoParts on Nov 9, 2015 11:37:34 GMT -5
Sounds like a great guy to hang with, he has mellowed a lot and gained wisdom it seems. Yes he does get in his 3 minutes of preaching his religion of "RVZ is Skynyrd" but at this point it's almost a counter point to the other band at the end of a long struggle. He didn't go full scale, it's was after a gig and he was clearly tired hanging onto that fence. But it's an argument that won't be around much longer anyway. Hopefully. I liked his biggest regret answer. His band sounded ok, his rhythm guitarist needs to turn it down or get a better amp, he just overpowers the set with distortion. Personally I like the clean channel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 13:15:47 GMT -5
Yes, Artimus was tired as explained early in the interview. Touring isn't easy for anyone especially for those getting up in age. You have to give him credit for keeping on.
As far as the sound...I read this comment from the poster. I am wondering how a sound guy can't get back to the console and leaves the band to fend for themselves? Well, that's a first for me.
Filmed at world famous Earl's Hideaway in Sebastian, Florida. The Artimus Pyle band absolutely plays Lynyrd Skynyrd music with accuracy and respect! Here's an exclusive interview with Artimus Pyle and about an hour of live song video including "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Freebird" among other favorites! the sound is not up to our usual standards as it was packed and I had no room to move back to get the front of house sound.
And there you go.
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Post by Forum Lord on Nov 9, 2015 13:46:47 GMT -5
I am listening to this band perform right now and you can tell it is the music of Skynyrd, but I would not call all of this band a first rate bunch of players.
One thing about Artimus driving is a control issue, not just because he likes to drive, but because of other reasons too like for one having control over the radio, control over the stops, especially when and where and why. And when the dinner bell rings the band goes with the driver. Been there done all of that numerous times. Another great reason Artimus like to drive is because he don't like getting lost. I remember one time we were down along the west coast of Florida on some island and I missed the turn to the mainland and Artimus was following me and all I can say is he was not happy having to turn his rig around towing a trailer. I swear I could hear him in my car even with the windows rolled up and music on! He was mad at me and rightly so. Whooops! Sorry about that Artimus!
Him being tired did temper his responses and indeed cause him to be more mellow with less energy to expend. It sure makes a difference sometimes. Catch him when he is well rested and full of energy and watch out!
Another thing to note, is how he is leaning on the fence. Notice he is putting his right hand and arm up on the fence? This is because his right leg is the one he broke in 1979 and he is trying to keep the weight off of it which indicates to me he is in pain and not saying he is in pain. He is using his right arm to take some of the weight off that right side big time.
When he mentions the band members he now plays for, he mentions only those members who were on the plane that he crashed with. He did NOT mention Ed King or Bob Burns!
The best part of this interview for me is when he named Gary's band "I'm afraid of my wife, and I sold my soul to a bunch blood sucking weasle attorneys and sinister managers" but that's a lot to put on a shirt so they just call it Lynyrd Skynyrd!"
"If Ronnie Van Zant is not your lead singer, it is not Lynyrd Skynyrd!"
Leon pooped in the pillow case! Typical Leon! He should of pooped and tossed it out the window! What was he saving it for?
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Post by Forum Lord on Nov 9, 2015 14:04:17 GMT -5
the sound is not up to our usual standards as it was packed and I had no room to move back to get the front of house sound. What this sounds like to me is that there was NOT a hired in professional sound engineer for this performance. Nope. Bars and bands do not want to pay for that so they are perfectly willing to let the quality of their sound suffer so they can make more money. Been there done that too! And seen it more times than I can count. So what this means to me is that as usual the band does their own sound check, and they set the levels ahead of time and when the show starts the place fills up with so many people that a band member who is also substituting as the soundman can not move through the crowd to make necessary changes to improve the sound quality. It is set once and then forget about it. This saves the band a nightly average of $100.00 to $300.00 if the soundman is a freelancer. If the soundman has to bring the sound equipment the costs just go up. So more than likely what happened here is typical of small clubs and bars. Either the band brings their own small PA system and sets it up and forgets about it, or the band combines their equipment with the bar or club's installed sound system and again, sets it up during soundcheck and walks away and go get changed, rested at the hotel, grab a bite to eat, smoke some pot, and come back to the bar or club and hope that no one has messed with the settings and the band member pretending to the be soundman might tweak the sound a little bit before the show starts, but once started he is stuck on stage and not willing to plow through the tightly packed crowd to go make some adjustments. Nope. If no one is complaining then the show goes on, no matter how out of whack the sound might be. Bands are perfectly willing to cut the expense- a luxury- of having someone who knows how to run sound and mix it right and pocket that money themselves and just let the sound suffer so they make more money! Pisses us sound guys off to no end too! I often go to clubs or bars to check out some bands performances and depending on whether I like them or not depends on whether I might jump in and help them- and usually for free too. It is nice if they give me a bar tab for saving their asses... that works! And there have been times I have gone to performances with horrible feedback and watching band members panic trying to fix it and I'll just sit there and smirk about it enjoying the humor and entertainment and be like "F you assholes" if I know them and don't like them for whatever reason. If I am out on the town enjoying a night out with my lady, why should I get all hot and bothered trying to save some greedy musicians from sounding really bad trying to do it themselves? This is precisely how I met Jesse and Evelyn Stone was just showing up at a club and ran into them and saw Jesse trying to play piano, sing, and run sound from the stage while he played. Jesse I willingly helped. He was a legend and deserved some help. That man paid his dues and I was honored to help take a load off of him and give him the freedom on stage to just do his thing. But anyways, this is why the sound sucked in my opinion. More money for the band, and not wanting to pay a real soundman to do it for them. Next time you go to a bar or club to see a band perform check and see if they are doing this too, or if they or the club actually hires a real soundman! If you do not see one, then you know what is coming... more excuses for the sound and mix suffering... who did they blame it on this time? Too many people in the club to bother with running from the stage to mixer? Yeah, that's it! Its the audience fault the sound sucked!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 11:02:08 GMT -5
I know little about Artimus' solo venture 'Artimus Venomus'. I don't even recall hearing any of it before today. Quite interesting to say the least. The song titles alone were enough to let me know what I was in store for. I guess it's safe to say that this was Artimus' way of saying f**%k you to the powers that be. For those who have not heard this album before here you go... Artimus Pyle: Venemous After Lynyrd Skynyrd
Modern Drummer July 25, 2007 Artimus Pyle has recently released a solo album called Artimus Venomus, the first in what he promises to be a series that will include such titles as Artimus Harmonious and Artimus Dubious. The new album features self-written songs sung by Pyle. According to the ex-Lynyrd Skynyrd drummer, “The lyrics are the result of my carrying around a lot of anger and unnecessary baggage for years, upset and hurt that my friends who I thought loved me had abandoned me.” Even though his career has seen many ups and downs over the years, Pyle has never stopped drumming. “I still enjoy just taking my drums in and out of their cases and setting them up,” he says. “It’s playtime for me. I’m a pilot, and when you fly an airplane, you have to pre-flight the plane to make sure nothing is going to go wrong. When I play my drums, I feel like I’m flying. You want everything to be where it should be. Setting up is important, and I talk about it in the clinics I do.” Pyle is on the new Lynyrd Skynyrd tribute album, playing “Double Trouble.” He’s also on a recent ZZ Top tribute album. His own band, APB, is still actively gigging and recording. And he’s been touring behind his Artimus Venomus project. In his spare time, Pyle is in the process of writing a book called Lynyrd Skynyrd, A Blessing Or A Curse. “I just want everybody to know that when the plane went down,” Pyle clarifies, “I didn’t stop playing drums. I left Skynyrd in ’91 because of their massive, gluttonous consumption of cocaine and alcohol. I was a part of the real Skynyrd. I didn’t want to be a part of something less.” Robyn Flans www.moderndrummer.com/site/2007/07/artimus-pyle/#_
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Post by grayghost on Nov 17, 2015 13:13:10 GMT -5
Second coming of Frank Zappa and the Mothers.
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Post by BlueMonday on Nov 17, 2015 16:17:38 GMT -5
Arti isn't much of a singer but other than that, I rather like the album. I don't even know if he's the one singing but I'm assuming that he is. If not, whoever is handling the vocals isn't much of a singer At least the album's title gives you sort of an advance warning about the contents
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 0:55:25 GMT -5
I was wondering why Artimus spelled venomous...venomus. Ha. Ha. I just got it at 12:48 in the morning.
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Post by steph on Nov 18, 2015 2:32:15 GMT -5
I know little about Artimus' solo venture 'Artimus Venomus'. I don't even recall hearing any of it before today. Quite interesting to say the least. The song titles alone were enough to let me know what I was in store for. I guess it's safe to say that this was Artimus' way of saying f**%k you to the powers that be. For those who have not heard this album before here you go... Artimus Pyle: Venemous After Lynyrd Skynyrd
Modern Drummer July 25, 2007 Artimus Pyle has recently released a solo album called Artimus Venomus, the first in what he promises to be a series that will include such titles as Artimus Harmonious and Artimus Dubious. The new album features self-written songs sung by Pyle. According to the ex-Lynyrd Skynyrd drummer, “The lyrics are the result of my carrying around a lot of anger and unnecessary baggage for years, upset and hurt that my friends who I thought loved me had abandoned me.” Even though his career has seen many ups and downs over the years, Pyle has never stopped drumming. “I still enjoy just taking my drums in and out of their cases and setting them up,” he says. “It’s playtime for me. I’m a pilot, and when you fly an airplane, you have to pre-flight the plane to make sure nothing is going to go wrong. When I play my drums, I feel like I’m flying. You want everything to be where it should be. Setting up is important, and I talk about it in the clinics I do.” Pyle is on the new Lynyrd Skynyrd tribute album, playing “Double Trouble.” He’s also on a recent ZZ Top tribute album. His own band, APB, is still actively gigging and recording. And he’s been touring behind his Artimus Venomus project. In his spare time, Pyle is in the process of writing a book called Lynyrd Skynyrd, A Blessing Or A Curse. “I just want everybody to know that when the plane went down,” Pyle clarifies, “I didn’t stop playing drums. I left Skynyrd in ’91 because of their massive, gluttonous consumption of cocaine and alcohol. I was a part of the real Skynyrd. I didn’t want to be a part of something less.” Robyn Flans www.moderndrummer.com/site/2007/07/artimus-pyle/#_ Damn it Ms Munster.... I have Blood Sucking Weasle Attorneys stuck in my head now! ROFL!!!
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Post by BlueMonday on Nov 18, 2015 9:26:16 GMT -5
Damn it Ms Munster.... I have Blood Sucking Weasle Attorneys stuck in my head now! ROFL!!! Sing it out loud the next time you walk down the street or get on a crowded city bus
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Post by steph on Nov 19, 2015 1:32:38 GMT -5
Damn it Ms Munster.... I have Blood Sucking Weasle Attorneys stuck in my head now! ROFL!!! Sing it out loud the next time you walk down the street or get on a crowded city bus LOL.... I think I'll end up singing it next time I have a big safety team meeting when I head to the big smoke.... I can see my Safety Advisor giving me the "What the hell is she on" Look
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